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Senuti and iTunes

Jul 6, 2006 — Whitney Young
Background

Many people are under the impression that iTunes is magical or something. iTunes contains their music and it only exists within iTunes. It's because if you obtain music legally, you never really see anything outside of iTunes. The music was on a CD, and then it's in iTunes, or the music was in the music store, and now it's in iTunes. It's a great design from a novice user's point of view, they have little to learn, but sometimes learning is good.

iTunes

iTunes has a default preference for its music location, ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music. Why it's this folder, I'm really not sure. It seems like it would make a lot more sense for it to just be your ~/Music folder, but I don't work at Apple, and Apple provides no real reason why it is this folder (maybe it's to avoid clutter in your ~/Music folder, maybe not).

Why have an iTumes Music folder as it's called in Apple's preferences at all? Because music should be stored in one central location. Thus, there's a bunch more (advanced) preferences that actually come with the iTunes Music folder. You can keep your music folder organized, you can have all of your music copied to your iTunes Music folder when it's added to iTunes, and you can even have your iTunes Music folder located somewhere else.

Having that music folder is somewhat misleading. If I add music to the music folder on my own, shouldn't iTunes pick up on that? Answer: it doesn't. Why? Because it would slow iTunes down (Amarok for *nix can do it just fine, but that's besides the point). Other than that, the preferences aren't really misleading. Well, that is until you realize that by default iTunes copies music to your iTunes Music folder for you. Why anyone decided that it was a good idea to have this preference enabled by default is beyond me. It's not entirely beyond me, I do understand it on the level of "we assume someone using our application has no prior knowledge of how to use a computer," but for people who do know what they're doing, it just doesn't make any sense as a default. If you download a song from the internet and add it to iTunes, then decide you don't want it any more, you have to delete it in two places, off your desktop, and within the iTunes Music folder. Of course, you could just delete it from your iTunes music library which will conveniently ask you if you want to delete it from your computer, but wait, you just did delete it! What to do? (Correct answer: delete it again).

Ugh.

Senuti

I believe that people copying music to their computers should have the option of using whatever music player they want. I will not set up Senuti to have the default copy location as ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music. It doesn't make sense. Senuti is not directly related to iTunes. It's a tool to use in conjunction with iTunes for probably close to 100% of the people who use it. I will be working on making it easer to use and smarter about choosing where to copy things and how to add songs to iTunes. For now the defaults settings are to copy to your ~/Music folder and not to add songs to iTunes. Those are the only logical defaults at this point.

The Point

When you use Senuti you have a few options. You can enable the preference to add songs to iTunes when they copy. At this point, though, as of version 0.33, Senuti does miss a few songs when adding songs to iTunes (another reason why adding songs to iTunes is disabled by default). In addition if you have Senuti add songs to iTunes and you are using iTunes default settings (or have the preference that copies songs to your iTunes Music folder enabled), Senuti will copy your music to your computer and the when it adds the music to iTunes, iTunes will make a copy of it. To avoid this, you can disable the preference in iTunes to copy songs to that folder, or you can change the preference in Senuti so that your save location is the same as your iTunes Music Folder location (which has a default value of ~/Music/iTunes/iTunes Music).

If you already copied the music to your computer and didn't enable the preference, you can simply drag and drop the files into iTunes. Again, though, if the preference to copy songs to your iTunes Music folder is enabled in iTunes, iTunes will duplicate all of your songs. You can either disable the preference and proceed with the drag and drop into iTunes, or you can move all of the files that Senuti copied into your iTunes Music folder before dragging and dropping into iTunes, and then since the music is already in the iTunes Music folder, iTunes won't copy them as they're added to iTunes even if the preference is enabled.

Last Remarks

I'm sorry that this is difficult. I don't like the way iTunes works. I want to make it easier and will be trying to in the future. For now my bias against the default setup of iTunes is prevailing.

Tags: iTunes, Senuti

Comments
icharlie Aug 28, 2006

i dont get anything that means man

Daniel Sep 6, 2006

iTunes is far from perfect. what anoyes me most (appart from the default to copy all music to the musicfolder) is that there is no option to remove songs from the library which dont exist on your harddrive anymore (you have to use an applescript or pick each song by hand an delete it from the library).

senuti is nice, thoug i prefere iPodDisk ;)

cheers from Berlin

Braxton Beyer Sep 8, 2006

So do you know of a way to automatically add songs to iTunes that have been placed in you iTunes music folder?

Sher Mar 31, 2007

I have downloaded senuti on my mac. now, what do i do? i cannot locate step by step instructions, i.e. plug in usb, do not turn on ipod... please my man got the computer and I got the ipod!! so, I went and bought a Mac, but now i need my music on my new computer..

thanks

Whitney Young Mar 31, 2007

Go to the support pages. Read the quick start and the FAQ. Please email support if you have more questions.

mike at Jun 24, 2007

i really think itunes is the worst frequently used music player. does anyone know of a good script that can auto update the itues playlist? Something where you can set a few folders for it to scan and auto update at each start up. I think that would help to make it a little better. [side note Winamp is awesome if you use a PC.]

susanne Jun 30, 2007

so...I've used Senuti to copy my music back from the ipod to my mac. The copying is still in progress, but the music is going into the music directory. So now I need to move the directories into the itunes music directory and itunes will pick it up?

susanne again Jun 30, 2007

I just reread the blog and I think I've got it. Copy the music to the itunes default directory, then drag into itunes and it won't copy again because it's already there.

troy Jul 10, 2007

I used Senuti to move all my files into iTunes (with the default settings in place). Now that I have extra copies of the files, does anyone know how to remove the extra copies to save my hard disk space?

Marshall Packard Sep 30, 2007

Can't you just delete the original files after they have been copied into your itunes library??

Dave Oct 14, 2007

I have an 8GB nano, software version 1.0.1, connected to an iBook G4 running Tiger (OS X, Version 10.4.90 AND iTunes Version 7.4.2(4). In trying to setup Senuti (to restore some music that somehow disappeared from my Mac and appeared on my iPod), I'm instructed to enable disk use, and disable Open iTunes when connecting the iPod. Further instruction says there's a button in the bottom right corner with an iPod image which allows access to these options. I can't find such a button when I open iTunes. Suggestions?

Whitney Young Oct 14, 2007

Those were written for an old version of iTunes. There's an Apple document about how to enable disk use that you can read.

Leo Oct 16, 2007

I have a question regarding rebuilding my iTunes library. As my HD failed on me, I got it replaced and completely re-installed OSX. Your support page does point out that I'd have to launch iTunes at least once to click through the first-run-dialogue; however, it doesn't say whether I have to prepare the iPod for use with Senuti (disk use ist currently disabled on my iPod. Furthermore, the iPod is currently not linked to my library, as I have yet to connect it for the first time with my newly installed OSX). So, how to proceed? Should I run Senuti and plug-in my iPod right away, or should I go through the prepare-the-Ipod-process first? Again, I haven't connected my iPod to the computer since reinstalling the OS. Thanks for the help! -Leo

Whitney Young Oct 16, 2007

I'd suggest trying the beta which has a setup assistant that should walk you through things a little better.

Ken Dec 11, 2007

I am successfully getting my music library from my ipod to my laptop. But, when I go to create the playlists Senuti recopies those songs in my music folder, therefore chewing up all my available memory. What is wrong? I have already disabled the iTunes automatic saving to the music folder. Only Senuti is putting music in that folder.

popmonkey Jan 15, 2008

is it possible to use the ipod as an external drive with senuti? in other words, i don't want senuti to copy songs to my computer's disk. i just want it to tell itunes where they live on my ipod. i have one computer that's my music basestationl; i populate my ipod from that one machine, but would like to be able to access that music and play it through itunes (mainly to pump it through airport express) on a second computer (a laptop that doesn't have enough disk to mirror what i've got on the laptop).

make sense? podworks does this but it drives me crazy 'cause it uses applescript for some reason and make my machine unusable during transfers.